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Re: live dvd difference to normal install?

Postby ninhalo5 » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:56 am

Admin-Amir wrote:Hello ninhalo5 .

Did you have install the ATI Catalyst?
If not first install it then we will see what can be done with you Video card.


I tried to install ATI Catalyst™ 9.3 Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver from the ATI website.
I forget what errors I had.
I know when I rebooted I had an xserver error which I had to default back to a generic driver.

Maybe I'll try reinstalling Ultimate Edition today and give it another shot, what do I have to lose, learning something ? :)

Not in the future it won't.All the main stream distros are starting to use the new xorg.The reason why you didn't have a graphics driver listed is because ati dropped support for it.the open source driver is the only one you can use with Ubuntu...and many more.


So the Catalyst I downloaded from ATI is not compatible?
I did notice when watching mandriva and gentoo load up they are both installing the same driver for an x1200 video card however if you goto ATI there is only support for x1300 no x1200 is listed

here is what I get under mandriva term lspci -v
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01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
   Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device ff1a
   Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 64, IRQ 18
   Memory at f0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
   Memory at f8100000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
   I/O ports at 9000 [size=256]
   Memory at f8000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1M]
   Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled]
   Capabilities: <access denied>



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Re: live dvd difference to normal install?

Postby ninhalo5 » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:45 pm

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Here's a question I opend up Envy and there are a list of graphics here nothing is checked off and there are X's next to everything, does this mean that none of these are compatible?
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Re: live dvd difference to normal install?

Postby Cell » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:48 pm

Sorry chief but I have to ask....did you just read what Amir,and I were talking about?


You can not use the propriety driver with an jaunty based,or above os

Least not with out hacking your os to pieces....


, does this mean that none of these are compatibl



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Re: live dvd difference to normal install?

Postby ninhalo5 » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:17 pm

Cell wrote:Sorry chief but I have to ask....did you just read what Amir,and I were talking about?


You can not use the propriety driver with an jaunty based,or above os

Least not with out hacking your os to pieces....


, does this mean that none of these are compatibl



yes...


Yeah, I didn't think it related to me. I'm not using the 9.10 thats what updated on my system a few days ago and wiped out Ultimate Edition.

So I'm confused, with the Ultimate Edition 2.3 build I should try an xorg update?

Amir mentions installing the catylist but it sounds like the ATI catylist is not compatible, what should I do in this case?
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Re: live dvd difference to normal install?

Postby Cell » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:21 pm

Sorry I was a bit harsh....no coffee yet.

Ya it applies to jaunty and afterwards.


yes your right...CCC will not work.You can install the radeon driver from synaptics.If you do this there are some tweaks to the xorg.conf file you have to do in order to make it work( a quick search here on the forums,or in google will get you the instructions)(.There is a way to get the proprietary driver to work but it involves hacking your os(manly the xorg) and reverting to an older kernel.
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Re: live dvd difference to normal install?

Postby ninhalo5 » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:06 pm

Thanks Cell,
I've looked around an seen some interesting topics on modding the driver but when I open my xorg.conf all I get is:
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Section "Device"
   Identifier   "Configured Video Device"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
   Identifier   "Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
   Identifier   "Default Screen"
   Monitor      "Configured Monitor"
   Device      "Configured Video Device"

This doesn't seem right.
On a lot of the pages I've looked at everyone posts something in the nature of:
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Section "Device"
Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]"
Driver "fglrx"
Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "on"
Option "TexturedVideo" "on"
Option "VideoOverlay" "off"
Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
Option "Textured2D" "on"
Option "UseFastTLS" "1"
Option "BackingStore" "on"

any thoughts?
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Re: live dvd difference to normal install?

Postby Cell » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:47 pm

Section "Device"
Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]"
Driver "fglrx"
Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "on"
Option "TexturedVideo" "on"
Option "VideoOverlay" "off"
Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
Option "Textured2D" "on"
Option "UseFastTLS" "1"
Option "BackingStore" "on



The fglrx driver is proprietary.Its just downloaded from synaptics instead of the ati web site.There are difference between the two tho...

What you should be searching about is the radeon,and radoenhd driver.These are the drivers you can use.


I know it a bit confusing,lol.

1:ATI driver is downloaded from ATI's web site.
2:FGLRX is a version of the ATI's driver that is synaptics.

The above two are proprietary drivers,and closed source.These drivers do not support any graphic cards but the newest HD's.

3:ATI mesa driver is the stock driver.It has 2d,and 3d.There is no CCC with this driver,and the ones below it.
4:radeon driver is and driver for your card.Its decent,and its what I was using in Jaunty.
5:radeonhd is another driver you can use.It does not support 3d in jaunty(least when I was using it).It also doesn't support sound over hdmi.

The last three drivers will work for your graphics.To enable them you will have to edit the xorg.conf.Your xorg.conf. will have basically nothing in it until you edit it to use these drivers( if anyone uses the first 2 drivers there will be a lot in the xorg.conf file...the ATI driver will configure it automatically after a single command)

This is all based for Jaunty.Karmic is similar,but not the same.

Hope this helps a bit.
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Re: live dvd difference to normal install?

Postby Cell » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:51 pm

There is a way to get the proprietary driver to work but it involves hacking your os(manly the xorg) and reverting to an older kernel.


When I said "hacking" I meant hacking.Not an simple edit in the xorg.conf file.

You will have to downgrade some 47 packages(xorg,and gnome) from the 8.10 repos,and to a few kernels...not worth it when you can just install 8.10.
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Re: live dvd difference to normal install?

Postby ninhalo5 » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:29 pm

Cell wrote:
There is a way to get the proprietary driver to work but it involves hacking your os(manly the xorg) and reverting to an older kernel.


When I said "hacking" I meant hacking.Not an simple edit in the xorg.conf file.

You will have to downgrade some 47 packages(xorg,and gnome) from the 8.10 repos,and to a few kernels...not worth it when you can just install 8.10.


So the kindergarten version is I'm actually going to have to get my hands dirty :D
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Re: live dvd difference to normal install?

Postby Cell » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:48 pm

Lmao...you will get in it neck deep Ill tell ya that.

The thing is tho personally I would just load up karmic,or wait for U.E.2.4.


You won't be able to upgrade from anything to 2.4....I don't recommend upgrading any ways.

WARNING: Running commands as root (using sudo or su) can potentially damage your operating system. Be sure to CAREFULLY read EVERYTHING. Only proceed with these steps if you are confident with what you are doing.

ALSO: This tutorial is not guaranteed to work on every system.


First off we will want to backup your current “sources.list” (the file that contains all of the repository information), so simply run the command:
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sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak



Now, we will open up the original “sources.list” file and set it all back to the intrepid repositories. This can easily be done with Gedit’s replace tool. You can, of course, use any other text editor. To open the file in Gedit, just type the following into a terminal.
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sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list


In gedit, simply select the word “jaunty” anywhere in the file and click on “Replace” on the tool bar. When the dialogue box comes up, type “intrepid” into the box labeled “Replace With:” and click “Find” then “Replace All”

After replacing “jaunty”, save the file and close out of Gedit (or what ever text editor you used), and go back to a terminal and type:
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sudo apt-get update


Once the repositories are updated, make sure all ATI drivers are uninstalled.

Now we will uninstall the current version of the xserver using the following command. (Note that gnome-session and fast-user-switcher-applet are specific to Ubuntu. Variants like Kubuntu(I do believe Ultimate Edition is built off of Kubuntu) and Xubuntu will not need to remove these because they are not installed)
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sudo apt-get autoremove xserver-xorg gnome-session fast-user-switch-applet


This may take a minute or so. After it completes, we will reinstall the xserver and also install the ATI drivers. (Note that gnome-session and fast-user-switcher-applet are specific to Ubuntu. Variants like Kubuntu and Xubuntu will not need to install them because they are not part of your desktop environment)
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sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg fglrx-amdcccle fglrx-kernel-source xorg-driver-fglrx libdrm2=2.3.1-0build1 gnome-session fast-user-switch-applet=2.24.0-0ubuntu6


When everything is finished installing, you will want to open up Synaptic Package Manager and lock all of the xserver-xorg*, fglrx*, xorg-driver-fglrx, libdrm2, gnome-session, and fast-user-switch-applet packages at their current version. This is done by selecting the package then going to the “Package” menu and clicking on “Lock Version”. You can also do this in the terminal by running:
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sudo su


then
Code: Select all
echo 'package-name hold' | dpkg --set-selections



Make sure to repeat the last command for each package that was installed by the previous commands. (This should total to about 47 packages or so.)

Once all of the xserver and ATI driver packages have been locked, run
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sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list.bak /etc/apt/sources.list


After you restart, make sure to go to the Hardware Drivers manager under the “System” menu: Administration > Hardware Drivers and enable that ATI driver and reboot again.


Use at your own risk.Does not work with Karmic,only Jaunty.Also if you have updated your kernel from the Jaunty stock one it will not work.This ATI driver is only supported in the kernel .28,and lower *I think check first your self.
I've done this,and have had success.Keep in mind your hacking the cr@p out of your jaunty install.If it didn't work then you most likely did a step wrong.Search the net if you need info on one of the steps.Again it might not be worth the effort if ATI has cr@py support for your card in linux to begin with...all cards aren't the same


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